Monday, August 23, 2010

What is the oldest tree in the world? Is the Earth young if the tree is thousands of years old?

What is the oldest tree in the world?





If the oldest tree is thousands of years old, why can't we find trees that are million or billions of years old?





If the world is billions or millions of years old as they believed, why can't we find trees that are older than thousands of years old?





Is the Earth young?





How can carbon dating be dependable to date these old things?





How old is the first human that has been carbon dated, and what is the carbon date of that human? Was it accurate?





I heard some real stories in the internet and pictures about carbon dating is undependable. I remember I read an article about in the 1960s or 1970s, they carbon dated a dead dinosaur, it seems that the dinosaur's skin is approximately 10,000 years older than its bones.

What is the oldest tree in the world? Is the Earth young if the tree is thousands of years old?
Fossils don’t come with labels telling you how old they are. So, what about radiometric dating methods—don’t they prove millions of years? Well, these are far from infallible—they are indirect methods based on quite a few assumptions, and evolutionary geologists themselves will often not accept a radiometric date unless they think it’s correct (i.e. it matches what they already believe).





There are plenty of scientists who question their accuracy. For instance, the “RATE” project has discovered several striking examples of contradictions in these dating methods. If you want, you can get their book or movie called Thousands...Not Billions and learn about some of their remarkable results.





If you do a bit of research, you will find that there is a lot of evidence of radiometric dating not being accurate (like conflicting dates, or dates of millions of years for lava flows that occurred in the past few hundred years or even decades).





OK, is there evidence of younger dates for dinosaur fossils? Oh yeah (these are easy to look up).





In 1981, scientists identified unfossilized dinosaur bones which had been found in Alaska 20 years earlier. Dr. Philip Currie (an evolutionist) wrote about this and some similar finds, “An even more spectacular example was found on the North Shore of Alaska, where many thousands of bones lack any significant degree of permineralization. The bones look and feel like old cow bones, and the discoverers of the site did not report it for twenty years because they assumed they were bison, not dinosaur, bones.”





As Dr. Margaret Helder has said, “How these bones could have remained in fresh condition for 70 million years is a perplexing question. One thing is certain: they were not preserved by cold. Everyone recognizes that the climate in these regions was much warmer during the time when the dinosaurs lived.”





In 1990 a sample of various dinosaur bones were sent to the University of Arizona for a “blind” Carbon-14 dating procedure. “Blind” in the sense that they didn’t tell them what the bones were. The oldest date they got was 16 thousand years. Now I don’t think they are even that old, but that’s a far cry from the millions of years evolutionists suggest. If dinosaurs became extinct more than 65 million years ago, there should be no carbon-14 left in their bones. Evolutionist of course say the samples must have been contaminated.





In 1990, Scientists from the University of Montana found T. rex bones that were not totally fossilized and even found what appeared to be blood cells in them. Dr. Mary Schweitzer said, “It was exactly like looking at a slice of modern bone. But, of course, I couldn’t believe it. … The bones, after all, are 65 million years old. How could blood cells survive that long?” How indeed?





And then in 2005, they found an even greater discovery. Science Daily website said (March 25, 2005): “Dr. Mary Schweitzer . . . has succeeded in isolating soft tissue from the femur of a 68-million-year-old dinosaur. Not only is the tissue largely intact, it’s still transparent and pliable, and microscopic interior structures resembling blood vessels and even cells are still present.”





As Dr. David Menton said, “It certainly taxes one’s imagination to believe that soft tissue and cells could remain so relatively fresh in appearance for the tens of millions of years of supposed evolutionary history.”





Wouldn’t that be a hit for the meat industry if we could figure out how to preserve meat for so long?
Reply:how can a tree live for a million years old??


it has to die sometimes u know
Reply:First of all, carbon dating. Carbon dating is only good to about 50,000 or 60,000 years, so even if we did have a dinosaur's skin (which we don't) we couldn't determine its real age. And it only works with things that were once alive, like wood or cloth, not with fossils. Bring in a piece of Noah's Ark or the Cross and then you'd have something! (The Shroud of Turin has already been shown to be a fraud).





Now as to the tree. If you believe the scientists, the earth is something like 9 billion years old but was only capable of supporting life for the last few hundred million years. Life began with single-celled animals in the sea, then plants, then fish, then animals, etc., in fact Genesis mostly agrees with this progression. So trees, as we know them, have only been around for a few hundred million years.





Now, in order for a tree to live even 1000 years there has to be a steady climate, constant air pressure, temperature and other conditions like moisture, minerals in the soil, etc. The earth is still in a state of flux, cooling and heating, continents moving around, etc. As late as 10,000 years ago most of North America was covered by glaciers!





Finally, as has been pointed out, a tree can only live so long. 3000 or 4000 years really is a long time if you think about it!
Reply:Oldest tree on earth is ~ 4800 years oldhttp://rawstory.com/news/afp/Age_shall_n...


Older trees are petrified and also in the form of coal.


Trees have a life limit, like all living things


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lon...


http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNe...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrochron...





Carbon dating is reliable, except for very accurate as in 50 years all radioactive isotopes decay at a known rate.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_da...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-14


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerator...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric...





Humans are ~ 200,000 years old http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human





Dinosaur extinction occurred with large impact in Yucatan peninsula. created ice age.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fos...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_C...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous-...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian%E2%...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age





Age of earth is ~ 4.5 billion years old


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_ti...





To below: you still have difference b/w dinosaurs and early mammals then large mammals such as mammoths, giant swaths, saber tooth etc. Without even taking in the science of radioactive isotope decay.





You have geologic evidence of Pangaea (one land mass) and have tectonic evidence all-around the world for ash deposit at the same time from one impact event.





You have cyclical burial of snow in ice cores that date back hundreds of thousands of years like tree rings. You have the Hawaiian island chain and the plate movement and volcanic activity that made them; you have oil deposits from inland seas and fluvial deposits and fossilized vegetation in the Gobi dessert, etc.





The evidence is more than enough. If you want to assume that all this is possible in the span of 6000 years and that man was with them the whole time while these major things where going on, impossible.





Make up of Canada for instance was started more than 1 billion years ago called the Canadian shield is made up of granite, to the west are the plains which are made of sedimentary rocks. Rocky Mountains have lime stone (calcium carbonate) which comes from coral reef so does the top of mount Everest in the Himalayas and the dolomites in Italian alps. First major oil discovery in Canada was hitting a pinnacle reef 2000m below ground once again limestone. Foundation of Alberta oil reserves are based on Ammonites. Tundra area or permafrost was once swampland like everglades now frozen solid. Australia once was made up of nearly all mountain areas. with an inland sea. Canada and the US had and inland sea as well runnng through Alberta to Texas.





US military has mapped ocean floor discovered magnetite layers are pointing in opposite bands or strips, meaning metal in rocks aligned in the direction of magnetic north pole, shows that earths poles have changed many times in the past and stayed changed for hundreds of thousand of years before changing again.





There is much more to discuss but perhaps you should go to a dinosaur museum. There were native Indians living in Canada without horses and with only bows and arrows and a hatchet do you think they would have been able to take on an Albertasaurus or a Tyrannosaurus rex? Or for that matter why are there no archeological sites, where these guys ate these things or even mammoths. They all were in Canada at one time.





You would have everyone believe that someone has feasible dinosaur tissue. Wow I think I watched that movie Jurassic Park I think it was called, and they had to go and get their DNA from insects petrified in amber. Buy the way maybe you should look up amber and how it is formed, why it is a precious stone and how long it takes to create. But I agree it would be great if we could reproduce dinosaurs.





Is it possible that some species of dinosaurs survived into human time? I think that is feasible. It seems that most ancient cultures in central Asia and central Europe such as the Hattian and Chinese as well as the Mayan in South America had a belief in some sort of dragon like serpent. Seeing how they were far apart and that folk lore is usually based on a concrete event, I would have to say there were most probably a possibility of some sort of species of reptile that was able to survive although not in large quantities.


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